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Mon, Dec. 5th, 2005, 11:41 pm
RPGs and the Golden Red Herring.

I noticed "the lessons of D&D" by shatterstripes with my over-sized Internet eyes just now, and feel motived to write. Over the last month or so, cgranade has been hosting an RPG with thetakogun, raiblu, a few other compatriots, and myself as players. We're using a super-hero themed system called Mutants and Masterminds (ha-ha). Compared to other dice-based system, it is open and extremely flexible, but needs a lot of game master attention and experimentation.

Okay, read all of this stuff — including the Suspiciously Awesome paka's comment — before continuing.

The campaign that I mentioned is the first time I've ever played an variation of a table-top RPG, makzu's experiment aside. (Sorry, Makzu, that was more Internet-top. (Mmmmm: the Internet as a top. Sounds like a l337 time.)) Even with such a short time playing, I can see a few patterns emerging. I'm willing to bet that every system has some Golden Red Herring built into it, and that inherent flaw tests the personalities of the players.

Shatterstripes (AKA Peggy, Patron Lady of Vector Art that is BETTER THAN YOURS) mentions that many players chase those points down: loot, levels, experience, ability scores, and gold points. The system is built for it, she argues, noting that most of the source-books were devoted to those points and not storytelling of characters. I think she's right, and I'm even going to expand on it: every RPG system has these little prizes in it. D&D has loot and levels, with the rewards of character power. Mutants and Masterminds has instead experience-like Power Points, with which we directly make our characters stronger. Rifts is... Rifts. All these games have the open and obvious built-in temptress of Munchkining. That's why the card game Munchkin is amusing: it is the distillation of the entire issue. (It might also be a round-about way of attempting to solve it, and I wouldn't put it past those sneaky bastards!)

You can't win these games. There's nothing at the end of that tunnel of experience. The games do not get any more fun with increasingly larger numbers. I suppose there are things characters can do with all that stuff that is like winning: building an empire, becoming a god, or just really upsetting the game universe. Those have a very limited appeal, though: there's gods, empires, and roaming disasters enough. Besides, there's always a bigger fish out there. Thus, a good player attempts to do something different. What's something? Everything.

So, players face a choice when they pick up some dice. They could chase those Golden Red Herring, or they can open themselves to the possibilities. Maybe they can let the GM tell them a story in which they get to engage. Maybe they can explore a whole new world, or play and interact with interesting people that are not possible in our universe. It's a great big multiverse out there, and you have the d20.

Now roll initiative.
Nat twenty.

Tue, Dec. 6th, 2005 03:48 pm (UTC)
cgranade

Point taken about the systems corresponding to mood and feel. M&M has nothing in so far as stuff-get adventure rules, so there's no point in a quest to get the +5 Sword of Kill Shit, as you'd have to pay for it with Power Points anyway (call them Balance Points and they make more sense). On the other hand, the insane flexibility of M&M allows you (but doesn't do it for you) to focus on individual dramas and to build truly unique characters. There will never be another Ferris Smith, nor another Dishonored, nor another Alex, another Maria, another Kaze/Whisp/Poison, another Eden, another Fluffy, etc. Never will you see a kitsune quite like Kitsune (PL ∞, anyone?), as She is defined by more than a class and level. Hell, not even all PL ∞ characters are the same- Kitsune could never summon even a small amount of the Blast power, no matter how hard she tries. She doesn't have it. On the other hand, it is possible for a PL 1 character to have Blast, so they could do something that she never could.

M&M is, though, vulnerable to every bit as much munchkining and abuse as any other system. No werewolf should, by virtue of being a werewolf alone, be able to reach escape velocity by jumping. Just as M&M gives the flexibility to create characters, it gives you the flexibility to betray characters. That flexibility, unknown to D&D, is both the strength and weakness of the system. M&M requires a much more active DM, and a more decisive DM (part of the problem I'm having), but allows for styles of gaming also unknown to D&D. That set of restrictions that D&D gives you also makes it that much harder to place D&D characters in another time zone (+5 Sword of Kill Shit versus Plasma Rifle... nope. Doesn't work.), transcend class boundaries (though dual-classing and prestige classes make some small progress towards the problems) or express individual strengths and weaknesses inside of a class (all level 5 Fighters have the same Base Attack Bonus). Thus, character development becomes focused much more on the stuff a character has. If you can't make the character unique, give them unique gear. That's why I respect those DMs that try to break the mold, but ultimately prefer such things as Skill20 and M&M, though I would like to try GURPS, et. al.

Anyway, to make a long story short, I agree- systems have their strengths and weaknesses, but if I want to avoid a certian cliche, then sometimes I must avoid the system that generated it.


(PS: Wonderful icon... just friggin' wonderful. This is the first "wow, what an icon" comment I've made on LJ, and I intend for it to be the last.)

Tue, Dec. 6th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
circuit_four

(The icon's cribbed from principiadiscordia.com - if they object to its use, they really need to choose a different hobby. ;) )