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Sat, Dec. 25th, 2004, 10:06 pm
I'm not talking about LJ memes, so you know.

A couple of memes I would like to see clever counter-memes created for and why:

1: "Science == a religion."

This is a very, very, very dangerous meme. If science is a religion, than there is no measurable truth. No, even worse: there is no truth. "Proof? Evidence? Pah! Personal beliefs are equal to reality!" We'd be in an Orwellian novel if we let this meme spread to its zenith point. Science is not a religion.

2: "Somebody has too much time on their hands!"

This was never witty. Never. Furthermore, if the subject matter is something that the target cares about, had a lot of fun doing, or may serve a fun, practical or useful purpose, than how can one even imagine that there is something better for the target to do? That's what this statement really means: "You wasted your time doing this." In any of the situations in which this was true, did it really apply? Also, why wasn't the person that said it beaten to a pulp by everyone in the immediate area? Makes ya' think.

All of that being said, I read a bunch of Redwall. Redwall and Mossflower. Fun fiction, but I'm having problems with scale on the characters and such. I mean, what size is Martin in refference to Tsarmina? Cornflower to the Abbey? Matthias to Constance? Cluny to his army? Lady Amber to the castle at Kotir? (Character, structure, object or geographical area) to (Character, structure, object or geographical area)?

Sun, Dec. 26th, 2004 06:02 pm (UTC)
makzu

Or, you could combine the two.

"Someone has too much religion on their hands!"

That's even less witty, though.

Sun, Dec. 26th, 2004 10:58 pm (UTC)
raiblu: Gonff to YOUR MOM?

(Character) to (pwnage). But seriously. XD If I had to have an idol in fiction, that'd be 'im. Unfortunately, I've not quite the dexterity or theiferiness.

I think it was just assumed with all the characters and everything 'just the right size so that it works.' Regardless of some of the scale problems, maybe, the story is really good. 'ave ye met the hares of Salamandastron yet? XD; ahh, good memories... I should read more of that series.

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 03:48 pm (UTC)
masstreble: Gonff and my mother.

You know, I think Gonff and my mother would get allong really well. In fact, I think they would be rather fond of one another. Assuming, of course, they met under favorable conditions and their sizes are close enough to interact in what passes for normally.

Ahh, the hares of Sala-manda-stron. There were the three that spoke in turns, their kinda female counterparts, and a mated couple. I like how those three created the border patrol, which Basil Stag -- generations later, mind you -- took a turn in. Great universality there!

Why does "children's" literature always have the best characters? Any member of the cast of Harry Potter are more memmorable than the collective cast of any other novel I've read. Hmm...


...Do you hear water? Cold, swirling, dripping water? *Shivers*

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 10:50 pm (UTC)
raiblu: Re: Gonff and my mother.

Well, considering he IS an extremely sociable and likeable chap... which reminds me, I REALLY need to start reading the Legend of Luke. since he's in it, and all. Problem is that I'm trying not to take TOO much influence from Jacques' style- just a few elements. But I haven't been able to get into anything lately. I mean, bleh.

As for why "children's" literature is better, I guess there are a few reasons. I think that particular style tends to be more character oriented. I don't know how many chapters of Mossflower were dedicated more to character development- or heck, just plain fun- but there were a few, and they were rather memorable, if you ask me. Genre-ized fiction, including general fiction, seems to rely on a lot of archetypes and pre-set plot structures to get published in the first place.

I think people in that sense are afraid to try something new. Or, in many cases, can't, because they're new to publishing, and it just doesn't sound right. Besides, as hard as it is, you can't have your street-corner flower-selling farm boy struggling for survival long before he somehow gets promoted to 'warrior,' or some other stupid archetype.

's why I'm trying to create a world where the characters can do anything, and gods die, and no one is truly good or evil, and it's all whacky fun. Or something. XP;

Yeah... I don't know why they classify some of this as children's literature. There's cursing and revenge and murder and blood and gore and war and politics and evil- sometimes it seems more intense than 'adult' fiction. Perhaps 'adult' fiction just refers to those books that can't stretch their imagination more than ten inches.

Ahh yes, the water... interesting invention, that. oO; Pine marten, anyone? Candied chestnut? XD;

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 03:58 am (UTC)
guido_jacobs: God doesn't use numbers

1. Of course when it comes to religion, there's no measurable anything. have you ever seen trees naturally a certain number of feet apart in a nice, orderly lot? or have you ever seen two snowflakes exactly the same? religion is random, "he gets brown hair, she gets blonde hair" kind of thing.

2. That phrase really means, "somebody had the time to do all this, along with the things he usually does" (i.e. school, work, chores) it's not neccessarily a bad thing, in my opinion.

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 08:00 am (UTC)
alfador_fox

Mmm...one good thing is that one fish can feed many little critters! But those Redwall mice don't trust us foxies. Just because we're a bit tricksy, they think we're all bad. Humpf.

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 04:00 pm (UTC)
masstreble: Extrapolation:

Foxes in Redwall I know of:

Redwall:
Sella and her son: An information dealer/doctor and an ambitious (accidental) murderer.
Mossflower:
Fortunata: a murderous cohort.
The bandits and their leader: uh, yeah.

The Redwall series doesn't treat foxes very well, does it? Then again, the same thing happens to ferrets, rats, and stoats. Interestingly enough, the heroic bunch typically includes: mice, squirrels, hedgehogs, otters, moles, shrews, a badger or two, and a hare or a few. Additionally, they typically serve similiar roles. *Nods* Yup. Definitely not fair.

Us demANd spECiEs MOrAl eQUaliTY! or maSS SParrA KeEEL THEm!!!!@ KEEEL!!!!

Oh, goodness no. I'm sorry, I'll never do that again. XP

Mon, Dec. 27th, 2004 10:59 pm (UTC)
raiblu: Re: Extrapolation:

Really, how much of the series have you read? oO; Jacques tends to stick to the whole 'Woodlanders' good, 'Vermin' bad, most of the time, but I have seen instances of the mice going bad, and the predators going good. Rare, yiss, but it does happen. I've read just about everything up to like Marlfox, but I think I've missed a couple. - x; If you want specific examples, I can like.. reread the series?

But if he DID break that structure too much, he'd start losing basis for the plots. And mice killing mice, well... that just doesn't sound redwall. :/ It sounds like... redamerica.

Sat, Jan. 1st, 2005 09:05 am (UTC)
kbhoyt

Happy New Years, Sam